Everettian chance in no uncertain terms
Jer Steeger and James Read
Supporters agree chance should be derived with uncertain belief, but not on how.
- Deutsch (1999) and Wallace (2012) use rules for rational preference orderings
- Sebens and Carroll (2018) disagree with a rule, use self-locating uncertainty
- McQueen and Vaidman (2019) disagree with Sebens and Carroll's metaphysics of branching
Critics argue these approaches are viciously circular.
- Dawid and Thébault (2025) argue Everettians need a partial interpretation of QM formalism to derive a chance measure, but they don't give a clear one
Supporters agree chance should be derived with uncertain belief, but not on how.
Critics argue these approaches are viciously circular.
We suggest a shift in focus to what Everettians take to be certain.
- They tacitly hold a functional link between chance and certainty, and they agree when we're certain about a branch's isolation.
- This gives a partial interpretation defining trivial (0 or 1) chance values, from which we derive the others.
Everettian chance in no uncertain terms
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
Everettian chance in no uncertain terms
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
Our approach: functionalism.
- What are the essential functions 'chance' plays in Everettian discourse?
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
Saunders (2010), following Papineau (1996):
- (C1) The inferential link. The chance of an event is measured
(roughly) by (actual) relative frequencies of that event. - (C2) The credential link. All else being equal, one’s subjective
degree of belief or credence in an event ought to equal the
chance of that event.
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
Saunders (2010) suggests another:
- (C1) The inferential link. The chance of an event is measured
(roughly) by (actual) relative frequencies of that event. - (C2) The credential link. All else being equal, one’s subjective
degree of belief or credence in an event ought to equal the
chance of that event. - (C3) The uncertainty link. Chance events, prior to their
occurrence, are uncertain.- Do we need this?
- If all outcomes are actual, maybe we don't want it.
(Greaves (2007) develops this line of thinking.)
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
- (C3) The uncertainty link. Chance events, prior to their
occurrence, are uncertain.- Still, we can make sense of 'not knowing what branch we're on.'
(See Sebens & Carroll (2018) and McQueen & Vaidman (2019).) - Even so: should this have anything to do with a specific measure of chance?
- One way it might: the principle of indifference.
- Alas, it's well-known that this principle struggles to give consistent recommendations.
- Still, we can make sense of 'not knowing what branch we're on.'
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
E.g., van Fraassen's (1989) box factory.
smallest side length:
$$4\text{cm}$$
largest side length:
$$5\text{cm}$$
What are your estimates for side length and face area?
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
smallest side length:
$$4\text{cm}$$
largest side length:
$$5\text{cm}$$
- Indifference over length? Estimate for face area: \( 4.5 \times 4.5 = 20.25 \text{cm}^2 \)
- Indifference over face area? New estimate: \( (16 + 25) /2 = 20.5 \text{cm}^2 \)
- Which do we choose?
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
smallest side length:
$$4\text{cm}$$
largest side length:
$$5\text{cm}$$
Ideally, we'd like to get more information about how the box factory works to say that any one estimate is best.
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
Motivates a fourth link:
- (C1) The inferential link. The chance of an event is measured
(roughly) by (actual) relative frequencies of that event. - (C2) The credential link. All else being equal, one’s subjective
degree of belief or credence in an event ought to equal the
chance of that event. - (C3) The uncertainty link. Chance events, prior to their
occurrence, are uncertain. - (C4) The certainty link. Chance values supervene on the
totality of physical information that is relevant to the
(actual) relative frequencies of the event.
Everettian chance in no uncertain terms
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
Maybe information about when a system is isolated will help.
Does indifference over side length yield chance values?
Remember (C1). Indifference might not track relative frequencies even roughly!
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
Maybe isolation and symmetries will help.
angled cutters
drop at time \(t\)
$$x$$
$$ \textit{ch}_t (s) = \textit{ch}_{t+t'} (s + t'\, \text{mod} \,1) $$
\(1\text{cm}/\text{s}\)
\(s=\) length past \(4\text{cm}\)
Rods' distribution described by (unknown) \(\textit{ch}_t(x) = \textit{ch}_t(s)\)
Does this pin down a chance measure?
$$ \textit{ch}_t (s) $$
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
Maybe isolation and symmetries will help.
angled cutters
drop at time \(t\)
$$x$$
\(1\text{cm}/\text{s}\)
\(s=\) length past \(4\text{cm}\)
Does this pin down a chance measure?
$$ \textit{ch}_t (s) = \textit{ch}_{t+t'} (s + t'\, \text{mod} \,1) $$
Rods' distribution described by (unknown) \(\textit{ch}_t(x) = \textit{ch}_t(s)\)
$$ \textit{ch}_{t+.5} (s + .5\, \text{mod} \,1) $$
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
Isolation and symmetries will help, sometimes.
angled cutters
drop at time \(t\)
$$x$$
\(1\text{cm}/\text{s}\)
\(s=\) length past \(4\text{cm}\)
Rods' distribution described by (unknown) \(\textit{ch}_t(x) = \textit{ch}_t(s)\)
changing \(t\) does not change frequencies of \(s\)
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
Isolation and symmetries will help, sometimes.
angled cutters
drop at time \(t\)
$$x$$
\(1\text{cm}/\text{s}\)
\(s=\) length past \(4\text{cm}\)
changing \(t\) does not change frequencies of \(s\):
$$ \textit{ch}_t (s) = \textit{ch}_{t+t'} (s + t'\, \text{mod} \,1) = \textit{ch}_{t'} (s)$$
Rods' distribution described by (unknown) \(\textit{ch}_t(x) = \textit{ch}_t(s)\)
$$ \textit{ch}_t (s) $$
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
Isolation and symmetries will help, sometimes.
- Find a subsystem that is isolated. For \(U\) the factory and \(S\) the cutter dropping at \(t=0\),$$\textit{ch}(s\mid U) = \textit{ch}(s\mid S)$$
- Find a symmetry of that subsystem. For \(S'\) the cutter dropping at \(t\) and \(s' = s + t \, \text{mod}\, 1\),$$\textit{ch}(s\mid S) = \textit{ch}(s' \mid S')$$
- Find states identified by that symmetry. If \(t\) doesn't change the outcomes, then we should set \(S=S'\), and $$ \textit{ch}(s\mid S) = \textit{ch}(s' \mid S') = \textit{ch}(s'\mid S)$$
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
Isolation and symmetries will help, sometimes.
- Find a subsystem that is isolated. For \(U\) the factory and \(S\) the cutter dropping at \(t=0\),$$\textit{ch}(s\mid U) = \textit{ch}(s\mid S)$$
- Find a symmetry of that subsystem. For \(S'\) the cutter dropping at \(t\) and \(s' = s + t \, \text{mod}\, 1\),$$\textit{ch}(s\mid S) = \textit{ch}(s' \mid S')$$
- Find states identified by that symmetry. If \(t\) doesn't change the outcomes, then we should set \(S=S'\), and $$ \textit{ch}(s\mid S) = \textit{ch}(s' \mid S') = \textit{ch}(s'\mid S)$$
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
Isolation and symmetries will help, sometimes.
- Ontic Separability Principle (OSP). Suppose that a physical theory \(T\) specifies the totality of physical information that is relevant to the (actual) relative frequencies of an event \(X\) in a system \(U\). Moreover, suppose that \(X\) occurs in an isolated subsystem \(S\) of \(U\), and that a map from \(X\) in \(S\) to \(X'\) in \(S'\) preserves its relative frequency. Then \(T\) should assign chance values to \(X\) in \(S\) that are independent of the environment \(U \setminus S\) and preserved by this map: $$\textit{ch}(s\mid U) = \textit{ch}(s\mid S) = \textit{ch}(s' \mid S')$$
- OSP gets steps 1 and 2; step 3 might uncover some \(S'=S\).
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
The isolated system \(S\) in OSP acts as our reference class.
- Most Everettians follow subjectivists by analyzing chance in terms of credence. Isn't this only a problem frequentists?
- Hájek (2007) argues not: subjectivists fill in the credential link, (C2), by asking us to set our credence according to some expert's: $$\textit{cr} (X \mid \textit{cr}_\text{expert}(X) = x) = x,$$ where \(\textit{cr}_\text{expert}(X)\) could be a Lewisian chance function, a function given by a physical theory, a logical probability, etc.
- And these plausibly give different answers: ‘You can’t serve all your masters at once, so you have to play favorites. But who trumps whom, and which trumps which?’ (2007, p. 597).
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
The isolated system \(S\) in OSP acts as our reference class.
- For us, physical theory trumps all else.
- We view this as a consistency constraint: if we think QM is authoritative enough to describe the totality of relevant empirical info, it had better also give us our expert credence function!
- When OSP gives strong enough constraints to pin down a single measure, it affords a pragmatic resolution of the reference class problem that applies equally well to Lewisians and frequentists (and others besides).
- ...as long as we're clear about that first step of identifying an isolated subsystem...
Everettian chance in no uncertain terms
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
'Isolation', like 'chance', is tricky.
- Our strategy is to do what we just did for 'chance': give 'isolation' a thin, functional analysis based on long-standing desiderata among physicists.
- We identify two key links:
- (I1) The recursion link. Roughly, 'isolated subsystems' should instantiate a recursive structure.
- (I2) The control link. We can study them in a laboratory.
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
Wallace's (2022a; 2022b) theory sectors help us get a handle on recursion.
- Roughly, a sector of a theory identifies a system where the following can be described without reference to any other system:
- kinematics
- dynamics
- symmetries
- Example: \(M\subset N\) charged particles very far from the others identifies a sector of \(N\)-particle Coulombic electrostatics.
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
Wallace's (2022a; 2022b) theory sectors help us get a handle on recursion.
- Crucially, Wallace doesn't think all sectors are isolated!
- E.g.: the potential version of Newtonian gravity defines sectors nearly identical to those of electrostatics.
- In both cases, the fields (electric or gravitational) vanish at a sector's boundary.
- But then no Earth-bound laboratory is a sector of Newtonian gravity!
- We can redefine the dynamics' boundary conditions to get new sectors that include these labs.
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
- So, we flesh out the recursion link with Wallace's (2022a; 2022b) theory sectors, and the case of Newtonian gravity motivates the control link.
- (I1) The recursion link. Roughly, 'isolated subsystems' should instantiate a recursive structure (like Wallace's theory sectors).
- (I2) The control link. We can study them in a laboratory.
- There are plausibly many valid ways of fleshing out these links—just like Lewisians and frequentists differ on how to fill in (C1)–(C4).
- Using theory sectors for (I1) meshes nicely with OSP.
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
- Using theory sectors for (I1) meshes nicely with OSP. Recall from OSP:$$\textit{ch}(s\mid U) = \textit{ch}(s\mid S) = \textit{ch}(s' \mid S')$$
- The second equality gives a function of states \(S\) and outcomes \(s\) that is preserved by applying a symmetry map to both.
- In other words, it says the chances are the same up to a re-labeling of outcomes.
- This closely matches what Wallace would call an intrinsic property of a sector.
- Thus, we'll refer to chance's invariance under re-labeling as OSP's intrinsicality condition.
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
Our strategy from here follows the recipe for the modified box factory:
- For isolation, pin down appropriate theory sectors for Everettian quantum mechanics
- For symmetries, apply OSP's intrinsicality condition to the appropriate symmetries of those sectors
- Look for symmetry-identified states to pin down a specific chance measure
Everettian chance in no uncertain terms
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
- According to orthodoxy about quantum mechanics, there are two dynamical rules:
- unitary dynamics describes self-evolution
- projective dynamics describes measurement
- In contrast, a traditional selling point of Everettian
approaches is that they treat all dynamics as unitary. - Thus, one might think that orthodoxy will frustrate attempts
to define a theory sector, while Everettian approaches will
accommodate sectors more straightforwardly.- Both of these impressions are false!
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
- Thus, one might think that orthodoxy will frustrate attempts
to define a theory sector, while Everettian approaches will
accommodate sectors more straightforwardly.- Both of these impressions are false!
- On the orthodox approach, one can helpfully use von Neumann’s measurement scheme to relegate projective dynamics to interactions with macroscopic objects.
- Similarly, Everettians rely on projections to specify the sense in which their macrostates—branches—are dynamically isolated.
- Both of these impressions are false!
- Everettian or not, use two sectors: one for microstates and one for macrostates.
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
- In both cases, microstates 1 and 2 are isolated iff
- their kinematical states are separable: $$\psi_{12} = \psi_1\otimes \psi_2$$
- and their dynamics are separable: $$U_{12} = U_1\otimes U_2$$
- In both cases, the isolation of macrostates 1 and 2 implies
- their kinematical states are orthogonal: $$\psi_1\bot\psi_2$$
- their dynamics are completely described by their own Hamiltonians
- Orthodoxy adds: either 1 or 2 occurs after a projection
- Everettians add: both 1 and 2 occur but are dynamically isolated
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
How defensible is the orthodox approach?
- Nice notions of extension and restriction in both 'space' (smaller and larger systems) and 'time' (before and after measurement)
- Two problems:
- Using projections means measurements must be repeatable; no room for noise.
- Too strict: like how Earth-bound labs couldn't test our first pass at Newtonian gravity. (Measurement theory addresses this!)
- It's not clear why some projections are allowed and not others.
- Too liberal: like saying we don't need the electric field to vanish in electrostatics.
- Using projections means measurements must be repeatable; no room for noise.
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
How defensible is the orthodox approach?
- It's not clear why some projections are allowed and not others.
- Too liberal: like saying we don't need the electric field to vanish in electrostatics.
- Everettians address this with decoherence (at least in part).
- This gives a dynamical explanation both for which projections define macrostates and how macrostates stay isolated.
- The 'how' is the branching criterion: only one prior branch \(i\) contributes to any future branch \(j\),
$$|\psi_{ij}^{t_1 t_2}|\neq 0, \,|\psi_{i'j}^{t_1 t_2}|\neq 0 \Longleftrightarrow i= i' $$
- The 'how' is the branching criterion: only one prior branch \(i\) contributes to any future branch \(j\),
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
- The branching criterion gives a natural partial chance assignment.
- First, partially interpret the Hilbert space norm to mean negligible or nearly impossible.
- Then, since by (C1) chance ought to be measured by relative frequencies, $$|\psi_{ij}^{t_1 t_2}|= 0 \Longleftrightarrow \textit{ch}(\psi_{ij}^{t_1 t_2})=0$$
- Realistic systems only satisfy the branching criterion approximately; we need to justify applying the partial interpretation to \(|\psi_{ij}^{t_1 t_2}|\approx 0\).
- Following Dawid and Thébault (2025), we can plausibly do so without chance (by, e.g., appealing to the \(\hbar\to 0\) limit).
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
What about symmetries?
- Unitary maps are symmetries of both microstates and macrostates; they preserve the form of both Schodinger dynamics projective dynamics/restriction.
- We also want repartitionings to be symmetries of macrostates; roughly, different ways of coarse-graining microstates shouldn't make a difference to relative frequencies.
- Unitary maps and repartitionings play the role of time translation in the box factory!
Everettian chance in no uncertain terms
1. 'Chance' tacitly invokes certainty
2. Certainty of isolation helps with reference class
3. But 'isolation' is ambiguous
4. Probing Everettian 'isolation' with theory sectors
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
The core approach:
- Find an isolated system, e.g., a two-branch case:$$ (a|\uparrow\rangle + b |\downarrow\rangle)|A\rangle |E\rangle \to a|\uparrow\rangle |A_\uparrow \rangle |E_\uparrow\rangle + b |\downarrow \rangle|A_\downarrow \rangle |E_\downarrow \rangle $$ where the RHS specifies a microstate \(S\) with macrostates \(X_1\) and \(X_2\) corresponding to its summands.
- Using OSP, impose the intrinsicality constraint: $$\textit{ch}(X_i\mid S) = \textit{ch}(X_{i'}\mid S) = \textit{ch}({X_i}' \mid S')$$ where \(X_{i'}\) and \({X_i}'\) denote the actions of a repartitioning and a unitary transformation, respectively.
- Find states identified by these constraints.
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
- To illustrate, consider the two-branch case:
$$ (a{\color{orange}|\!\uparrow\rangle} + b {\color{Magenta}|\!\downarrow\rangle})|A\rangle |E\rangle \to a{\color{orange}|\!\uparrow\rangle |A_\uparrow \rangle |E_\uparrow\rangle } + b {\color{Magenta}|\!\downarrow \rangle|A_\downarrow \rangle |E_\downarrow \rangle} $$ The RHS specifies a microstate \(S\) with macrostates \(\color{orange}X_1\) and \(\color{Magenta}X_2\). - Apply a unitary transformation that swaps the two branches:
$$ (a{\color{Magenta}|\!\downarrow\rangle} + b {\color{orange}|\!\uparrow\rangle})|A'\rangle |E'\rangle \to a {\color{Magenta}|\!\downarrow \rangle|A_\downarrow \rangle |E_\downarrow \rangle} + b {\color{orange}|\!\uparrow\rangle |A_\uparrow \rangle |E_\uparrow\rangle} $$ The RHS specifies a microstate \(S'\) with macrostates \(\color{Magenta}X_1'\) and \(\color{orange}X_2'\).- When \(a=b\), \(S'=S\).
- And the macrostates repartition the originals; i.e., there is a repartitioning such that \({\color{Magenta}X_{1}'} = {\color{Magenta}X_{2'}}\) and \({\color{orange}X_{2}'} = {\color{orange}X_{1'}}\).
- Combining with OSP: $$\textit{ch}({\color{orange}X_1}\mid S) = \textit{ch}({\color{Magenta}X_{1}'}\mid S') = \textit{ch}({\color{Magenta}X_{2'}} \mid S) = \textit{ch}({\color{Magenta}X_{2} } \mid S) $$
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
- Existing approaches:
- Wallace (2012) uses rules for rational preference orderings
- Sebens and Carroll (2018) use self-locating uncertainty
- McQueen and Vaidman (2019) use symmetry and locality
- Each only deviates slightly from the core. Our approach is closest to McQueen and Vaidman's, but we replace locality with isolation.
- We've explicitly purged any reference to the principle of indifference or self-locating uncertainty; we only need OSP.
5. Sectors unite and strengthen Born rule derivations
- Other upshots of the OSP approach:
- Wallace (2012) needs erasures, which draw criticism from Mandolesi (2018); OSP gets rid of them.
- McQueen and Vaidman (2019) criticize Sebens and Carroll (2018) for their derivation only applying for a short time before decoherence reaches an agent.
- We diagnose this problem as arising from focusing on identical microstates rather than symmetric macrostates.
- OSP resolves the problem while accommodating each of these authors' conflicting (local vs. global) metaphysical views of branching.
What next?
- Two sectors for orthodoxy and Everett... but wasn't Everett motivated by theoretical unity?
- Is the need for two sectors anathema to an Everettian approach?
- Or is it a natural accommodation of lessons from stat mech into an Everettian worldview?
- What other physical theories might yield a chance derivation like the modified box factory?
- What should we do when the modified box factory recipe fails to solve the reference class problem?
Thank you!