Debates

My naive attempt to

fix tackle an old problem

in the modern setting

Why this is important?

  • We suck at being rational
    • We should increase the odds for rational decisions
  • One of the few things we can manage is how we use our time
  • It is sad to watch smart people trying to communicate their point and fail

I recently tried to analyze a debate

FAILED

  • I kept losing track even though I had the log and took my time
  • Several threads for seemingly same discussion
  • Temporal distortions (Déjà-vu)
  • Arguments were orbiting around an unidentifiable problem
  • Some key arguments were seemingly
    ignored. I got curios - why? 

So how did I become a respected author on this topic?

  • I didn't. I'm just a hobbyist. 

Reading / Listening

Podcasts

  • Brain Science with Ginger Campbell
  • The Sceptics Guide
  • The Psychology Podcast
  • Naked Neuroscience
  • Psychology in Everyday Life: The Psych Files
  • Stuff You Should Know (a bit far fetched, but worth
    mentioning)

How to start a debate?

  • Somebody comes up with an idea
  • Works with it (invests to it, becomes familiar with it)
  • And then somebody questions it... tadaa.

Oh, I just described a mini-version of the Sunk cost fallacy

 

Questioning is, however, important

  • But pick your battles - it takes time * participants
  • If used too much, may block innovation?
  • But still a necessity for rational(ish) decisions
    • (we suck at being rational)

We suck at being rational

  • Our brains are specialised in coming up with an opinion first and having an explanation for it later.
  • Our brain is  very good at deceiving us in other fronts
  • You think you see colours equally around you?
    • Full vision? No spots?
  • Magic tricks, mentalists, the scientific method - quite a lot of things/professions work with or around our fallacies.

Selective attention test

so bad that there was a professor to study it

Few tools to get a bit better

Starting Point

Your thoughts are deceiving you. Apply scepticism also to your own ideas.

 

WATCH OUT!

Also, read Internet-memes with the grain of salt.

Distinguish these

  • Problem / requirement vs solution
  • If you have a requirement, you should have a
    • problem which you can describe the way your peers understand
  • Only after that, a sensible solution can be presented
    • There rarely is perfect solution(?)
  • Thus, at the end,
    • after rational debate (ha-ha),
    • alternatives can be weighted objectively (ha-ha)
    • and rational decision is made (ha-ha)

Be mindful with the "moving target"

  • "the moving target" = confusing the discussion by spawning new problems and requirements to justify the solution
  • The way the chat discussions are flowing, it is easy to ignore the fact that the previous topic was never handled.
    • Few debatees may be attempting to keep an logical construct of the debate in their head 
    • Rest just cram forward? -> Drives people to insanity

Try to align where you can

  • Don't drop the ball if you don't understand the opposite argument
  • Ask -> Answer -> Ask -> Ask -> Answer -> Align

"No ought from an is"

  • E.g. The Hume's guilliotine
  • Of course it is good to know how the rest of the world operates
  • This, however, should not be the key argument
  • We don't want to be the Angry Monkeys

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Understanding the alternative

  • Proposed solution might be outside my box
  • I need to do the effort to figure out if it is a good solution
  • Prerequisite for that is that I understand and see the solution
  • Example from our previous debate: "one repo for a product" requirement 
    • If I haven't used pull requests up to their full potential, combining requests, issues, comments etc - how could I appreciate the argument? 
    • So now I understand that I need give up thing X I understand well, to get vague thing ? in return.
    • No thanks. <- I've may have made a bad decision.

May our debates be glorious!

Jukke, pick it up from here! 

Debates

By Jani Kenttälä

Debates

Jani's random ramblings

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